In the course of researching a previous post on the cost of an echocardiogram, the skeptical cardiologist discovered a website in the UK ((HeartScan)) that offered a “private” echo at a cost of around $400.
Subsequently, Antoinette Kenny, the creator of HeartScan, was kind enough to answer some questions I had about echocardiography in the UK.
First she provided me with some background on her career. (Green text below from Dr. Kenny)
As you will know from HeartScan’s website (redesign of which is almost complete and will be launched next month) I am a cardiologist in the UK. I am still a fulltime NHS (UK’s public health service) cardiologist at one of the leading heart centres in the UK, the Freeman Hospital, Newcastle upon Tyne. I am Head of the Regional Echocardiography Department there providing TTE, TEE, stress echo, 3D etc. My career has also been heavily involved with the British Society of Echocardiography (BSE) which is affiliated with British Cardiovascular Society and promotes standards of practice for echocardiography in the UK including accreditation programmes for individuals and departments/private services.
Dr. Kenny is clearly well-trained and dedicated to providing high quality echocardiography.
And according to HeartScan’s FAQs
At HeartScan you are secure in the knowledge that your Echo will be performed to the highest standards laid down by the British Society of Echocardiography. HeartScan is to date the only private provider in the UK to be awarded British Society of Echocardiography Departmental Advanced Accreditation.
Are Echos Free In The Uk?
You are correct, echocardiograms are free of charge through the NHS in the UK. However, there are waiting times involved for elective referrals and typically patients may have to wait for 6-12 weeks or longer in some geographical areas. So some patients will chose to have their echocardiogram privately and self-fund. Other patients are covered by health care insurance and will have their echo reimbursed by their health insurance provider
It would be unusual for someone to wait for more than 1-2 weeks for an echocardiogram in the US. I suspect the longer UK waiting time does not cause worse outcomes.
Hopefully, patients presenting with some conditions (acute heart failure comes to mind) are moved up in the queue.
How Does Dr. Kenny Determine What To Charge For Her Private Echocardiograms?
My services are very competitively priced and I chose this price point to be competitive with other private echo services but also add value to the patient in that the echo is reported by a cardiologist who is an echo specialist. Other local private hospitals provide an echo privately at a higher cost (approx. £380-480 for a sonographer reported echo).
So £295 is the cost of what I believe is a very high quality echo with a high quality report. I guess I have tried to make private echo reported by an echocardiologist as available as I can. Whilst we are a small clinic I do get patients who travel great distances for an echo as they tell me they trust the service (as they know it’s reported by a specialist) and find the pricing better than they can attain locally.
A Marked Difference In The Practice of Echocardiography Between In The US Compared To The UK
One of the main differences between the UK and US I think is that imaging cardiologists are very much in the minority here so that in a smaller hospital there may be no cardiologist who has echo expertise. Therefore the Echo service is almost completely physiologist delivered. In larger teaching hospitals over the last decade or so there has been an increased awareness of the importance of imaging and thus an increased training and appointment of imaging cardiologists. However numbers are small in relation to the service load. For instance in my unit we perform almost 18,000 TTEs annually but there are only 1.5 Echo consultants (and we both do general cardiology also). So the TTE service is physiologist reported with myself and my colleague running ongoing education and QA programmes for the physiologists. We only report a small percentage of TTE cases that are flagged up by the physiologists but we perform the TOE (TEE!) and DSE’s etc. Echo is a relatively small sub-specialty in the UK so echo cardiologists tend to know each other and lecture on each other’s teaching courses etc. But there are many hospitals with no cardiologist echo expertise.
I was amazed by this. In the US, sonographers record the examination and make measurements. In some (typically academic) centers the sonographers create a preliminary reports, however, an echo trained physician signs off on all reports.
I was curious what training and reimbursement these physiologists receive as they doing, in essence, what a cardiologist does in the US.
Salary and Training of Physiologists in UK
Yes, our cardiac physiologists have considerable responsibility!
Their training is changing with a programme of ” modernising scientific careers” that’s underway but I will send you on info regarding their training. In essence the previous model was to complete a university course and then train in the hospital in various disciplines. For those in cardiology they train in the cath lab, cardiac rhythm management and Echo so have a very broad base before then specialising in Echo ( or cardiac rhythm etc).
Salaries depend on experience and seniority but the salary for a cardiac physiologist who has attained BSE accreditation and reports independently is up to £42,000 a year.
I’m fascinated by this fundamental difference in the way echocardiography happens in the US versus the UK. I wonder how it impacts either clinical outcomes or the cost of medical care in the two countries.
I’ll be posting information on the training that UK physiologists go through in the near future.
I welcome comments from any UK readers on their experience with private or NHS echocardiograms, either good or bad.
I remain Anglophilically yours,
N.B. For your further edification, I’ve copied Dr. Kenny’s About Page from the HeartScan web page.
Perhaps Dr. Kenny can tell us what all those initials after her name mean.
About Dr Kenny
Dr. Antoinette Kenny, Director of HeartScan Ltd.
MB BCh BAO MD FRCP FRCPI
Dr. Antoinette Kenny is a full time Consultant Cardiologist and Specialist in Echocardiography (ultrasound heart scans) at the Regional Cardiothoracic Centre, Freeman Hospital, Newcastle upon Tyne. She is also an expert in cardiac screening for individuals involved in sport.
Dr. Kenny qualified in medicine in Dublin in 1983 and trained in clinical cardiology at St. James’s Hospital Dublin and Papworth Hospital Cambridge. She was awarded the Grimshaw-Parkinson Fellowship from Cambridge University for her research towards an MD thesis in echocardiography at Papworth Hospital. She was made a Fellow of the Royal College of Physicians, London, in 1998 and of the Royal College of Physicians, Ireland, in 1999.
Following her clinical cardiology training and MD thesis she was appointed Fellow in Echocardiography at the Oregon Health Sciences University, Portland, Oregon, USA. There she undertook training in advanced echocardiography, including three-dimensional echo techniques, with Professor David Sahn the internationally renowned specialist in echocardiography. In 1993, at the relatively young age of 33, she was appointed Consultant Cardiologist and Clinical Head of Echocardiography at The Regional Cardiothoracic Centre, Freeman Hospital, Newcastle upon Tyne. At that time only 19 (<5%) of consultant cardiologists in the UK were female and an even smaller percentage of cardiologists had achieved consultant status by the age of 33, facts which serve to highlight Dr. Kenny’s postgraduate career achievements. (Source Royal College of Physicians Census).
As Clinical Head of Echocardiography at Freeman Hospital for over 20 years, Dr. Kenny has gained a vast experience in assessing patients with heart failure, valve disorders and inherited cardiomyopathies. Her expertise includes evaluation and selection of patients for advanced valve replacement techniques such as TAVI (transcutaneous aortic valve implantation) and minimally invasive surgery. She is a member of the Specialist Heart Valve Team at Freeman Hospital providing specialist echocardiographic expertise for the selection of patients for valve surgery.
Sports Cardiology experience:
Dr. Kenny is also a cardiology adviser to the Football Association (FA) and a member of the FA cardiology consensus panel producing guidelines for cardiac screening. She has performed cardiac screening for the Football Association since this programme was introduced for young footballers in 1996.
Dr Kenny has also been involved with investigation and heart screening in premiership football players for the last decade and provides heart screening for Newcastle United FC, Sunderland AFC and Middlesbrough FC, including their first team players. Dr. Kenny has particular expertise in distinguishing between the normal changes produced by athletic training (athlete’s heart) that could be misinterpreted as abnormalities and abnormal cardiac conditions that can pose a serious health risk.
Dr Kenny holds full accreditation with the British Society of Echocardiography, the national benchmark of quality in performing and interpreting Echo scans. As an elected council member of the British Society of Echocardiography she has been involved with standards and quality in delivery of national Echo services. She also held the post of Chairman of the Scientific and Research Committee of the British Society of Echocardiography with responsibility for organisation of the annual meeting and educational sessions.
She is co-author of a well received textbook of echocardiography which has been translated into other languages. Dr. Kenny is also a leader in education in echocardiography, co-directing a national Echo course and invited to lecture at both national and international Echo conferences.
Dr. Kenny has developed and led research studies in advanced applications of echocardiography over the last two decades and has published widely in peer reviews journals.
7 thoughts on “Most Echocardiograms Done In the UK Are Free But Not Read By Cardiologists”
When I went to A&E (ER in the U.S.) with breathlessness I thought I would be quickly diagnosed with heart disease.
They immediately identified a heart murmur, did an ECG and sent me upstairs in the hospital for an echocardiogram.
As the echo guy looked at my results he explained them to a doctor who was sitting in. He was telling him what he was seeing. I expressed surprise at this, because the screen looked pretty blurry to me.
“Well”, said the young man, “I’ve seen 10,000 hearts on this screen, so you get to know what you’re looking at”.
He printed off about 10 photographs and told me I had hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, with a severe obstruction. Then he put me in a wheel chair and wheeled me to the cardiac ward where they gave me a bed and I stayed there for a week.
I was only allowed to go home after I promised the doctors (of whom I saw seven) that my breathing had improved. They gave me a nebuliser, blood-thinners, beta-blockers and diuretics, a chest x-ray, endless blood tests, blood pressure tests, heart-rate tests etc.
Since I left hospital I’ve had a spirometry test, a 48-hour holter monitor, a 48 hour sleep monitor test for sleep apnoea and been booked in for a Coronary calcium score test, a CT angiogram, and had a long consultation with one of the cardiologists who saw me in hospital.
As with all medical services in the UK, it’s all free and we aren’t told the cost of the different tests and treatments.
That sounds like a marvelous experience.
Compared to US echo techs (sonographers) the responsibilities and knowledge of the British sonographer is remarkable!
You may be interested in this description of the training and career prospects of a “diagnostic radiographer” in the UK.
In the UK, the NHS provides Continuing Professional Development for doctors and non-doctors alike. This means that nurses and other non-doctor medical staff can do lots of extra training (at NHS expense) and become highly qualified in a specialism.
A nurse can become a Nurse Consultant or a Clinical Nurse Specialist and work on an equal or senior level to doctors and be involved in training doctors in their speciality.
A friend who had worked in the US and the UK said that in the US doctors have more status and nurses are less likely to have the senior level responsibility that they can achieve in the UK.
So now they have an AI that collects 80,000 data points from a single echocardiogram and compares them with the database at Oxford University.
I wonder, if combined with clarius’ hand-held echocardiogram with smartphone interface, these can be taken into remote areas *by non-doctors* and provide valid diagnoses, perhaps the first these indigenous people have ever received?
Very interesting comparison.
Hope you are enjoying your weekend. I have a quick question. I am pretty sure that, following a DCCV, there is a medical report generated. Is that correct? It would seem to me that the report would not contain much information other than rhythm going in, times performed, joules utilized and rhythm at conclusion. Is there anything else except of course, normal blood tests that would be included therein.
There should be a dictated report by the cardiologist. Mine typically mention the type of anesthesia utilized.
Most of mine are done with IV propofol under the guidance of an anesthesiologist.
I describe the monitoring utilized.
I also mention whether any antiarrhythmics were utilized before or after.
I mention any complications. I mention if there was a pre cardio version TEE.